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Kevin Baird	German Waves		Lead	[-]
Posts: 581 11/28/08 15:38:08	Tags : None The photo below was drawn from a Daily Mail article of November 27th regarding newly discovered Kriegsmarine postcards. The caption apparently reads 'Getting ship shape, it was too good to be true'. How very drole! What struck me though were the uniforms worn by the girls. They look very un-German and actually very similar to the USN dress whites or "cracker jack". Was there a Women's auxiliary to the Kriegsmarine? Was this anywhere close to their uniform, or is this just a universal, cabaret portrayal of girl sailors? USN POW's they're clearly not. Kevin Si vis pacem, para bellum
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Ken Rose	photo	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 665 12/09/08 09:53:21	I would have to say that this is a composite photo, with some retouching. Look at the "water" coming out of the hose and the fact that the man on the right is not really holding the hose(his hand is wrong). Also, note that none of the sailors(real ones) are looking at the girls - unglaublicht! AFAIK, there was no female branch in the KM -- and they would have had more Germanic uniforms, not the music hall versions shown. Still, it is pretty good for an era when you had to literally cut, paste and paint to produce this sort of image "War makes rattling good history; but Peace is poor reading" Thomas Hardy, "The Dynasts" Ken
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schudak		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1007 12/26/08 09:53:00	Definitely a pasted image. It has the inverted subtitle "Scherzzusammenstellung" (fun combination) It looks like the photo was made in a cabarat, and probably before a big drawing as background. There was, however, a female support branch in the navy, called "Marinehelferin". Here we go: http://img119.imageshack....135/marinehelferin1ya.jpg
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Kevin Baird	German Waves	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 582 12/27/08 14:25:56	Thanks gents. It's a fairly rough "cut and paste" effort compared to what we can photoshop today. Axel, I have a poster of a Luftnachrichtenhelferin. From what I can tell through comparison with the image you've posted above, there was a very generic and quite formal uniform warn by female auxiliaries during the war. Below is another image from the same postcard collection. Name the warship (or what I'm pretty sure she is at any rate) and your fortunes are guaranteed for 2009. Si vis pacem, para bellum
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schudak		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1009 12/28/08 02:36:55	Its the Deutschland-Klasse so either Deutschland/Lützow, Admiral Graf Spee or Admiral Scheer. The mast of the Graf Spee was different (she was a bit larger), so its either Deutschland or Admiral Scheer. Judging from the gap in the windows (on the left side, the Deutschland had four in regular intervals) I will lean myself out of the window and go for the Admiral Scheer.
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Kevin Baird	German Waves	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 583 12/28/08 14:04:13	It's a difficult one Axel. My money was on the Admiral Graf Spee, but now you're casting doubt. I originally discounted Deutschland/Lutzow and Admiral Scheer because of the angled cut of their funnels which I saw as absent on the subject photo. Now I'm wondering if the angled cut is just hidden by gear. Si vis pacem, para bellum
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schudak		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1013 01/05/09 03:26:56	The cut of the funnel changed over time. Before the war it was flat for all three. You can see a good sideline of the Admiral Scheer over time here: http://feliratgyarhu.web-...et/1/admiral%20scheer.gif Deutschland/Lützow: http://feliratgyarhu.web-...met/lutzow-deutchland.gif and the Graf Spee: http://feliratgyarhu.web-...3nr/1/nemet/spee/graf.gif On the other hand, the mast was changed, too. It may be a picture of the Graf Spee at an earlier time, though I have yet to find any picture that gives the mast and rigging the way your photo shows it, while the Lützow and Scheer clearly have it that way. My bet is still on the early Graf Scheer, since the pattern of the windows on the Lützow does not fit with your photo. The one on the Graf Spee does, but - as told above - I am very unhappy with that mast.
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German Waves	11/28/08 15:38:08	Kevin Baird
photo	12/09/08 09:53:21	Ken Rose
Re: German Waves	12/26/08 09:53:00	schudak
German Waves	12/27/08 14:25:56	Kevin Baird
Re: German Waves	12/28/08 02:36:55	schudak
German Waves	12/28/08 14:04:13	Kevin Baird
Re: German Waves	01/05/09 03:26:56	schudak